Luke Carl [00:00:03]:
Welcome to the Short Term show from Blue Ridge, Georgia. We will cover everything you need to know, including buying, holding, managing from a distance, raising rents, renovating, and how to rent it when you are not using your very own vacation home in the North Georgia mountains. For more information on current purchase prices and income data, please visit theshortermshop.com welcome to the Short Term show special episodes from Blue Ridge Short Term show from Blue Ridge, Georgia. Very exciting stuff. We’re going to talk about why this market, what’s going on in this market, how many people are coming to this market, Regulations, Why, why you want to come here? What, what is, what is there to do in the mountains of Georgia? And I’m long here. Luke Cash Flow Carl from the Short Term Shop Director of Education. Anybody wants to buy a property with the Short Term Shop? We are the best in the business and I would be very happy to teach you everything I know about managing short term rental real estate and that is free. My services are on the house.

Luke Carl [00:01:22]:
If you purchase a shop, a house with the shop. So maybe inadvertently on a house, on the house is a. Let’s just see, it’s a pun. You get it. But anyway, let me introduce Yak Yak is old school family friend of. Of Avery’s family and been around for quite a long time. And we’ve. He’s been in the shop now for, for a number of years.

Luke Carl [00:01:43]:
And, and uh, well, anyway, I’ll let you introduce yourself, Buddy. How’s everything?

Yok Re [00:01:46]:
Oh, going great, man. And, and thanks for having me on. I know I feel like it’s been a while since you and I have gotten together on one of these.

Luke Carl [00:01:53]:
Yeah, yuck. Has been on my podcast, Short Term rental Management, which is fantastic. And, and it would love you to give it a five star review if you’d like to check it out. But yeah, good, good, good to be back. And we’re gonna have a lot of fun.

Yok Re [00:02:07]:
Absolutely.

Luke Carl [00:02:08]:
Yeah. So you’re an agent. Tell us a little bit about yourself. How long have you been in the area? All that kind of stuff.

Yok Re [00:02:13]:
Yeah, so I moved to Georgia about 10 years ago and. And you know, dabble. I shouldn’t say dabbled. My job initially was I was a social media management. Did a lot of stuff actually. I was a preferred marketing developer for Facebook. And one day I had a guy come up to me wanting to do some advertisements revolving around selling real estate. And this guy kept on coming back to me, kept on coming back to me.

Yok Re [00:02:37]:
I was like, man. He said, man, yacht. These ads are working really well, man, we’re making a lot of money. And that’s all I needed to hear. I was like, well, instead of you making money, I’m going to start making money. You know what I mean? So I shut down the social media management stuff that I was doing and went straight into real estate. And honestly had a couple bad. When I moved up here, had a couple bad experiences with real estate.

Yok Re [00:02:59]:
And I said to myself, there’s gotta be a better way to do this. There’s gotta be a more honest way to do this. And so I got into it and absolutely love it. We’ve been here in North Georgia basically since we’ve moved here, and absolutely love it. I mean, it’s a beautiful place to be. I really feel blessed to be doing what I’m doing to, to, you know, walk these mountains, so to speak, every day and, and share what we have to the rest of the country.

Luke Carl [00:03:26]:
Absolutely. Yep. That’s fantastic news, man. And speaking of, let’s, let’s. I got. Let’s dive right into the geographic area. You know, where are we talking? What, what area of Georgia specifically? And what areas do we want to look at? Which ones to stay away from?

Yok Re [00:03:42]:
Great question. So, you know, Blue Ridge Market. A lot of people confuse the Blue Ridge Mountains with Blue Ridge, GE, GA. I want to be specific and say Blue Ridge, GA is the market. Okay? The town of Blue Ridge. Now that also, in my mind, okay, that also kind of covers multiple. I’m not going to call them cities because they’re certainly not that, but multiple towns around Blue Ridge that compose what I call the Blue Ridge Market. Okay.

Yok Re [00:04:13]:
So obviously at ground zero, you do have Blue Ridge, and that is where everybody wants to be. Again, the, you know, you, you have 3,0513 area code. You know, Blue Ridge postal code. That’s where that’s where you want to be. Okay. I mean, that is, that is ground zero. That’s the best of the best. But, you know, realize that can be a little out of reach for a lot of people.

Yok Re [00:04:35]:
You know, the properties there, they just, they do cost more, but they do make more. Let’s be honest with you, because you’re, you’re really close to downtown, but also in that, in that same marketplace, I like to tell people, yes, that does include Cherry Log, okay, Which is south of town. That does include Morganton, which is east of town. That does include Mineral Bluff, which is north of town. And you know, that corridor that goes all the way up to McKayesville, you know, right up to the, to the Tennessee border. You know, it incorporates all of that. So I tell everybody, you know, drop a pin at the McDonald’s in Blue Ridge, you know, no, it’s not a unique tourist destination, but it is kind of center mass of Blue Ridge. And if you can be less than 20, 20 driving minutes from that in just about any direction, you’ll be in good shape.

Yok Re [00:05:24]:
The only reason I say just about any direction is if you go directly west, it can get a little hairy in terms of the drive and just kind of poor roads. You know, I want everybody to know this is still rural Georgia. But, you know, there are some areas I’m not going to call them like, we certainly don’t have much that’s 4×4 required, but it can get to the point where it’s. You would struggle if you were in a Honda Civic, you know what I mean? So I tell people, you know, we’re going to avoid those areas. We want to get you in spots where, you know, if the family’s loaded up in the, in the minivan and they’ve got, you know, four kids in it and two adults and, you know, the, the turtle shell full of stuff, you can still make it to the property. And I would say 98% of the properties are accessible in that situation.

Luke Carl [00:06:15]:
I want to zoom in a little bit more hyperlocal on that, but before we do, let’s zoom out, okay, to the areas that are coming to this area. Atlanta, obviously, number one, and I would assume Chattanooga and Athens, Georgia, and I don’t know, maybe you get some Knoxville folks, maybe not. But just talk about kind of the general. Where is the population of the area coming from?

Yok Re [00:06:39]:
Great question. So, oddly enough, you know, our two biggest markets, obviously, number one, is going to be metro Atlanta. Okay. People don’t realize that Atlanta is actually kind of in the northern part of the state. All right, so from north, the north reaches of metro Atlanta, you’re probably about an hour to 90 minutes, 60 to 90 minutes from blue Ridge. So you could knock off a work on a 4 o’ clock on a Friday or Thursday and be eating dinner in Blue Ridge very comfortably, you know, at 6 or 7 o’ clock. So, you know, the proximity to Atlanta, that is, you know, the bloodline of Blue Ridge the second, which also we.

Luke Carl [00:07:21]:
Should mention is one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the United States. It’s a massive city.

Yok Re [00:07:27]:
Absolutely. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s the. My understanding, it’s the richest town in the Southeast. So, you know, it is, it is. You’re, you know, from the airport. You’re about two hours from the Atlanta airport. So again, not, you know, not terrible. Hell, an hour of that, she’s driving through Atlanta.

Yok Re [00:07:43]:
Right. Okay, let’s be honest. Only, you know, from, again from, from north metro Atlanta, which I would say is probably kind of like Canton, Georgia. You got about a 60 minute drive and it’s, it’s, it’s highway the whole way, straight shot, super easy, you never have to turn.

Luke Carl [00:07:58]:
Atlanta is very well known for having absolutely horrible traffic. If you’ve never been there, it does get pret, pretty nasty. But you’re, you’re looking at like, I don’t know, 6, 7 million people in the Atlanta metropolitan area.

Yok Re [00:08:11]:
Yeah.

Luke Carl [00:08:11]:
So, you know, this is a, this is a major, major metro. And, and one thing I know about major metros is they like to get out of there. They like to get out of there on the weekends. And Blue Ridge is there is their Hamptons, if you will. So anyway, go ahead for sure.

Yok Re [00:08:25]:
And then I’m going to say the biggest and kind of most surprising thing that a lot of people don’t realize is Florida. Okay? We get tons of traffic from the state of Florida. And why is that? Well, if you’re on 75 heading north out of Florida, which most people are, okay, that’s the, you know, the main thoroughfare heading north out of Florida. You take 75, you’re going to go through Macon, you’re going to go through Atlanta. You keep taking it north and you can jump off 575 and you’re in Blue Ridge. So for Florida residents, Blue Ridge, it kind of is the first cabin community that you come to if you start driving north. So if you want to escape the heat down in Florida, you start heading north, you’re going to hit Blue Ridge before you hit anything else. So because of that, we just have tons and tons and tons of, you know, Florida, Florida traffic.

Yok Re [00:09:17]:
You go downtown and 20 to 30% of the car tags at any given time are going to be from Florida.

Luke Carl [00:09:24]:
Okay, all right, now you mentioned Cherry Log. That is a name that you hear fairly often. Well, hold on, let’s back up. Blue Ridge itself is just a beautiful little city, right? I mean, can you explain that to me as if I’ve never been there? What does it look like in a nutshell?

Yok Re [00:09:37]:
Yeah, you know, it’s a, you know, it’s your standard southern little town. You know, we’ve got some, you know, boutique shopping and things like that to go down downtown. Your standard kind of, you know, what you call them, what you will. Your tourist traps. You know, if you want to go buy your saltwater taffy and get your ice cream and your donuts and your cupcakes, you know, we have all that. But it’s. It’s a very small little town. At one point in time, I was told there’s only 1200 residents inside the city limits.

Yok Re [00:10:02]:
Okay, so it pretty much is. When. When you talk about Blue Ridge, really what you’re talking about is kind of the urban sprawl of it. You know, that’s where all the cabins are. Okay. To be honest with you. Now, we do have a. We do have a nice lake.

Yok Re [00:10:15]:
We have Blue Ridge Lake, you know, and during the summer, a lot of people come there. You can rent boats and do all that. I’m not going to say it’s a huge pool. You know, the locals probably use it more than the tourists, but we definitely have the lake. But again, it’s just a sleepy little town with a lot of mom and pop restaurants, a lot of local businesses, you know, and it’s. It’s definitely kind of got a different feel than the rest of Georgia. I tell people, you know, not to get political, but it’s kind of a hippie, you know, it’s. It’s kind of a purple little town.

Yok Re [00:10:45]:
You know, it’s. It’s got a. It’s got a pretty hard hippie vibe to it at times. We’re. We’re big into Bigfoot. And, you know, usually it’s just got a unique flair. You know, a lot of these Georgia towns do, even including, like, Savannah, you know, kind of the same way. We’ve got our own flair, we’ve got our own flavor.

Yok Re [00:11:02]:
We do things our way, and people love us for it.

Luke Carl [00:11:05]:
Yeah, absolutely. Super cool little town. And it is tiny. I searched the actual population, and it’s 1200, 12, 1244 as of 2021, which is about the exact same size as the town I grew up in, in the middle of nowhere. And. But it’s a whole. Because this is a tourist town. You know, you got a lot of people coming in from.

Luke Carl [00:11:25]:
From elsewhere, but let’s spread out a little bit. Do we go all the way down to. I hear Ella J. A lot. Is that, you know, Tell me about Ella, Jeff.

Yok Re [00:11:33]:
Yeah, you know, I tell people, Ellijay, I don’t consider it the Blue Ridge market specific. Ella J. Again, you’re. You’re talking Gilmer county here. And it’s. It’s a fine place to be. It’s a fair place to be. But it just, it doesn’t, you know, it doesn’t draw the revenues that Blue Ridge does.

Yok Re [00:11:53]:
Okay, it’s 30, 30, you know, about 30 minutes south of, of Blue Ridge prices there. You know, it usually, you know, I’m going to make a generalization, but it usually cost about 15 to 20% less to buy there and it makes 15 to 20% less. Are there some instances where you can kind of skew, you know, those metrics and those numbers? Absolutely. You know, there are some good opportunities to be found in there. The whole, I don’t want people to really confuse Ella J. With Blue Ridge. It does tend to make less money, but it is cheaper to get into. So if you’re kind of the first time person and you’re wanting to kind of buy something that’s would be quick, you know, something easy to manage that isn’t, you know, a $750,000 property, maybe, maybe you got 375, man.

Yok Re [00:12:44]:
Let’s, let’s slip into the Kusawadi River Resort here in Ellijay and find you something. I mean, that’s, that’s, you know, that is a, it is a dense community. It’s a little bit different than what you would find in Blue Ridge. But it’s, you know, there’s thousands of homes in there. It’s a, it’s a massive subdivision which they allow short term rentals and you know, you can find property in there for a little, for, for significantly cheaper than you could, you know, in Blue Ridge. So again, good opportunities to be had in lj, especially if you’re kind of looking at a, at a certain price point.

Luke Carl [00:13:16]:
Pull your map back up for me and yeah, show me exactly where that is. Ella J. Versus just briefly and then we’ll move our way on up to White Path.

Yok Re [00:13:26]:
For sure. For sure.

Luke Carl [00:13:28]:
Yes, sir.

Yok Re [00:13:28]:
So here we have, if you can see my cursor here, we have Blue Ridge right here.

Luke Carl [00:13:33]:
All right.

Yok Re [00:13:34]:
I have the heart. Ella J. Is down here. Okay? This is Ella J. So you take, you know, you’re down 76 and LJ is this little town here. Now, again, just like Blue Ridge, you know, we’ll save regulations for a little later on, but you do need to buy outside of the city limits, okay? Because the sound ordinances for years and years and years, they, they’re not letting you buy properties in the city limits. So the hack is, so to speak, is this area right here and you can see all these roads. This is the Kusawadi River Resort.

Yok Re [00:14:03]:
Okay? Tons and tons and tons of rentals within this area. Okay. And it’s very accessible for me.

Luke Carl [00:14:12]:
One time down there. The layers button on the bottom left corner. Yeah, yeah, there. There we go. There’s a little bit better view. Okay.

Yok Re [00:14:18]:
So, you know, this is the Kusa Watti right here. And you can see it’s still wooded. You know, I mean, it’s a. It’s a nice little area, but all these little roads right here, this is that subdivision. It’s. It’s one of the biggest subdivisions in north Georgia. Okay. But, you know, again, very accessible.

Yok Re [00:14:35]:
You’re coming down from Atlanta or. Excuse me, you’re coming up from Atlanta. You’re on. You know, here we are. This is north metro Atlanta. You just, you know, drive right on through. You’re on. You’re on 515, and you can pull right in here.

Yok Re [00:14:47]:
There’s multiple entries into Kusawadi. Great place to be. I do. Luke, not to get off topic, we have Carter’s Lake over here. There’s some beautiful properties at beautiful prices. The problem is a lot of all this dirt around the lake is owned by the corps of engineers and is not buildable. So there’s really not a big lake vibe there, to be honest with you. You can buy some beautiful properties out here with amazing views for really cheap, but, you know, you have to drive 30 minutes out into the middle of nowhere, and there’s not.

Yok Re [00:15:23]:
There’s not that lake life vibe, if you know what I mean. So I generally tell people, you know, Carter’s Lake is. It’s a wild card. I would just suggest we’re spending a lot of money here. Let’s get something that’s a little more closer to ground zero, A little more of a sure enough, done deal as opposed to, you know, going way out here.

Luke Carl [00:15:46]:
Okay, wonderful, wonderful. Let’s scoot up a little bit to the north. Do we do anything in White Path? What’s going on there?

Yok Re [00:15:53]:
Okay, White Path, not so much. But, you know, we do have. You know, Cherry log is going to be right in this area here.

Luke Carl [00:16:00]:
You know, Cherry Log all the time. Does Cherry log have, like, an actual downtown? Is it. You know, again, I’ve never.

Yok Re [00:16:06]:
Not really.

Luke Carl [00:16:07]:
Person. Never been there. What’s it look like?

Yok Re [00:16:09]:
No, no, no. It’s just a bump in the road. It’s just, you know, all these little towns, to be honest with you, are just a way to divide the. Post the postman up, you know, post people up. So, no, to be honest with you, now, we do have our golf club, White Path, what we do have down here is we have, you know, one of our golf courses and know there’s a community there. I’m trying to think the name of, excuse me, Buckhorn Estates. You’ll see properties in there for fairly nice properties, I mean, really nice properties for, you know, $600,000. Where in Blue Ridge it would be $1 million.

Yok Re [00:16:43]:
But the problem is, is they are not really short term rental friendly. They just don’t allow them. So I tell everybody, don’t be, don’t get tricked by that, okay? They’re not, they’re not letting rentals happen on the golf course.

Luke Carl [00:16:54]:
Right.

Yok Re [00:16:54]:
And that’s probably the case in most parts of the country, I would assume. But no, you know, what we do have in Cherry Log is Expedition Bigfoot. That’s our Bigfoot Museum. It is what it is. If you’re into it, go to it. My, my kids absolutely love it. But now this right here, this area here, if you can kind of see me circling it, this is what I call Cherry Log. Okay, We’ve got Cherry Log on this side.

Yok Re [00:17:21]:
We have. Well, we, excuse me. We have Hidden Lake on this side of the road, and we have Cherry Lake on the west side of the road. Both of them are about the same. I would say Cherry Log is very, you know, that’s, that’s a good place if you’re looking to spend, you know, less than 600,000, you know, even less than 500,000. Cherry Log is a good opportunity for you. Cabins are a little bit older. It’s, you know, a little more of a established neighborhood.

Yok Re [00:17:52]:
It really is just a big neighborhood, to be honest with you. To me, it feels a little more like Tennessee. A little more dense, you know, more cabins, you know, smaller cabins. You know, you don’t find those big mega cabins in Cherry Log. So again, in a fun little mountain drive, to be honest with you, it’s not harrowing or anything like that, but when you get into Cherry Log and you pull in there, you’re just, you kind of pull off the road and you’re like, hey, this is pretty cool. We’re, we’re, you know, you’re with the family and you’re on a little bit of an adventure, you know, again, you can access all of it in the minivan. Real easy to do, but you’re putting around, you know, some, you know, it’s a mix between paved and dirt roads through, through this little mountain community. And it’s, it’s kind of a beautiful place to be.

Luke Carl [00:18:36]:
Okay, cool. All right, let’s move on up Closer to actual Blue Ridge or wherever you think you need to take us.

Yok Re [00:18:41]:
Yeah, I’m gonna. I’m gonna pop this back on so we can kind of look around. So a lot of. A lot of great opportunities here west of town on 76 going toward Blairsville. Okay. Blairsville is another town where people want, you know, they’re asking me, hey, I want to get some. In Blairsville. This the county over here.

Yok Re [00:18:58]:
In Blairsville, they have short term regulations that are kind of not making it favorable. So I tell everybody, you want to be. If you’re going to go west out of town, you want to stay in Fannin County. Okay. You want to stay in Fannin County. So if you kind of tom. Go about, you know, you’re. You.

Yok Re [00:19:13]:
You essentially want to be west of Lake Notley here. And you won’t really run into any significant. You know, you’ll just run into the basic regulations. So this is. This is Morganton. Morganton is on the north and south side of 76 here. So anything down in this area can be. Can be really, really good.

Yok Re [00:19:34]:
It’s not as mountainous through here, a little more kind of rolling hills. So let me cut the layers on. If you. And when I say rolling hills, like this whole area right here is a lot of pasture land. But it’s beautiful. It looks really cool. There’s a lot of cabins overlooking this rolling hill. Pasture type stuff.

Yok Re [00:19:51]:
Beautiful place to be. Same as down here. Okay. Again, we’re in. We’re still in Morganton here. Actually. The town there is a little town of Morganton. There’s nothing really there to.

Yok Re [00:20:02]:
There’s nothing there other than a stop sign in a. In a bait shop. Okay. So there’s. There’s not really any other significant attraction there. Let’s talk about another area, Luke. So we have the lake. In another real hot area right now is the ASKA adventure area.

Yok Re [00:20:19]:
And the Ask Adventure area, basically this is. Let me turn on my layers. You have Ask A highway and we’ll zoom in. But is this Ask A road? Okay. And it basically runs. It is a two lane highway that’s well paved that runs through the forest alongside the lake here. Now I tell people you don’t want to get too south of the lake because the drive can be. It’s not bad.

Yok Re [00:20:47]:
But you know, if you’re not used to driving down winding roads late at night, there are a lot of deer, there are a lot of wildlife there. So I tell people you’re best served to kind of be, you know, don’t go south of the lake. When you go down Ask a highway. Let me see if I can figure out. Let me. I’m trying to figure out a way to show roads a little better, but this is the ask a highway. Okay. Great properties down there, but don’t go too far south of the lake.

Yok Re [00:21:13]:
And for reason number two, it becomes pretty remote. And Internet and cell phone down there can be very spotty. Okay. And in 2023, Luke, you know, like I do, those are things you just got to have. So again, let’s not forget we are in rural Georgia. But again, to. To hit on the Aska adventure area. Tons of tubing, some of the best fly fishing, you know, are all of our trail heads.

Yok Re [00:21:39]:
I mean, we have trail heads here that if you’re serious enough, tie into the Appalachian Trail. Okay. So we get tons and tons. If you’re. If you’re an outdoor enthusiast, chances are you’re going to want to be in this ask adventure area along, along the lake here, just off ask a road. Some beautiful, beautiful properties, great opportunities. And again, if you’re that, if you’re that outdoor enthusiast, this, this is. This may be the place for you.

Luke Carl [00:22:06]:
Okay.

Yok Re [00:22:07]:
Another area.

Luke Carl [00:22:09]:
Yeah, sorry. Go ahead now. So again, when it’s not, when folks say Blue Ridge, you know, they’re not really talking about the actual city of Blue Ridge. Right? So they’re not.

Yok Re [00:22:18]:
That’s right.

Luke Carl [00:22:19]:
How close do I want to get?

Yok Re [00:22:20]:
Yeah, again, I tell people drop. Drop a pin at the McDonald’s in Blue Ridge, which it’s, you know, right around, you know, it’s. It’s center massive town. Okay. You drop a pin at the McDonald’s and Blue Ridge and you are going to. Which is. It’s just right. There’s Waffle House.

Yok Re [00:22:38]:
There’s McDonald’s right there.

Luke Carl [00:22:40]:
Yeah.

Yok Re [00:22:40]:
So.

Luke Carl [00:22:41]:
Okay, but I don’t want to be right in town is what I’m getting at.

Yok Re [00:22:44]:
Yeah, no, no, no. You got to be outside these city limits. And you can kind of see on the map. If you zoom in, you can kind of see what the city limits are. You drive 60 seconds in any direction, you’re outside the city limits.

Luke Carl [00:22:54]:
The adventure park. And the right end, the north end is the. There’s like a big hotel up there or something.

Yok Re [00:23:00]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. There’s a grocery store, etc. The Ingles. Once you get north of Ingles, you’re fine. Walmart’s right here. So once you get past Walmart, like I said, 98, 99 of the cabins you see for sale are going to be outside the City limits. Right.

Luke Carl [00:23:13]:
So normally, in other words. Right. I don’t even need to keep an eye out for that. It’s. It’s most likely it’s not going to be in the city limits.

Yok Re [00:23:21]:
That’s right. That’s right. There’s one, there’s one outlier, Luke, and I’m glad you bring it up. There is a neighborhood right here. I’m going to zoom out to where you see the city limits, that half of it is split up in the city limits, half of it is out in the county. The name of the, the name of the community is called Mountaintops. Great place to be. Some of the highest earning properties in North Georgia are found in Mountaintops.

Yok Re [00:23:49]:
You just got to make sure you get one that’s out in the county. Okay. And it’s. It pretty simple to do, but you do have to be cognizant of that. And the thing is, is you’re, you know, you have kind of all that. You have community water, you have super fast Internet, you have great. You got all the kind of what I would call city amenities, so to speak, but you’re still kind of in a cabin ish area and you’re only six minutes from downtown. So that, you know, that’s why it’s so desirable and can make so much money.

Luke Carl [00:24:18]:
Wonderful.

Yok Re [00:24:19]:
You know, other than that, this corridor heading to Tennessee to McKayesville is really starting to fire up through here. I told people, you know, a couple of years ago, you know, you get past north of the hospital, you know, not necessarily. You know, there’s a lot of. They’re doing some road construction here, so it’s not necessarily the greatest spot. I’m here to tell you a lot of builders found a lot of cheap dirt through here and they are really starting to blow this up. And I’m telling you right now, McKaysville has kind of gone through some gentrification. They’re doing. It’s.

Yok Re [00:24:51]:
It’s a small little town like you McKaysville. You can go visit it. You can spend, you know, it’s. It’s not a, you know, it’s not a full day in McKaysville. It can be if you go, there’s great tubing up here and stuff like that to do up here. Great fishing as well. Horseshoe Bend Park. One of my favorite places to hang out is here around McCaysville.

Yok Re [00:25:09]:
But two years ago I would have said, you know, this isn’t a place to look at. But now that McCaysville is starting to kind of blow up a little bit, I tell everybody, do not Hesitate to get in this strip between Blue Ridge and McCaysville. It’s doing really, really well right now. And they’re starting to build a lot of nice, nice little subdivisions through there. So don’t sleep on McKaysville. The next area I’ll talk about here is Epworth. Epworth is a little town. I tell everybody, the town of Epworth.

Yok Re [00:25:40]:
It sucks, Luke. It’s a dump. It’s not that great. But outside of McKaysville, there are some really, really nice areas. And again, four, three, four, five years ago, when everything was blowing up, you know, when Covid was hitting, all the builders were finding some really good property at really good prices. And this is where they started blowing up and building some, I’m just gonna say, magnificent properties. I’m closing on one next Friday. That is a.

Yok Re [00:26:12]:
A six figure earner and it is absolutely spectacular.

Luke Carl [00:26:15]:
So let’s say I’m. Let’s say I’m a just a regular old family from Atlanta that just wants a house out in the woods and doesn’t, you know, wants to rent it sometimes, but not like all that concerned with heavy income. Is there a particular area where that type of person would be? Or he could, he could also, or she. So consider any of these areas as well.

Yok Re [00:26:33]:
Consider them all, man. We, we, you know, we’re not as built up like Tennessee. And I know I keep saying that, but, you know, every community, every house is fairly unique. It’s not, it’s not Sevierville where there’s 80 home subdivisions and you know, what’s going on here. Every situation is unique. You know, even these communities, a lot of them, you know, they’ve had two or three builders go in there and they’ve been built up over the course of, you know, 20 years. So it’s, it’s not, you know, it’s not these communities like you would find in Pigeon Forge, etc. That were just kind of all built at once and, you know, are kind of, you know, everything in there is standard.

Yok Re [00:27:12]:
So I tell everybody we need to look at each opportunity individually and judge them accordingly.

Luke Carl [00:27:19]:
Got it. All right. Anything else we need to know about location, Tom?

Yok Re [00:27:23]:
Not really. I would just say again, due west of town. You see here where it says zipline canopy? Canopy tours out here can be a little harrowing. If you go directly west, there’s an area called Cassius Valley that can be a little tough. Cassius Valley Cemetery. All this through here. Mega, mega views, Luke. Through here.

Yok Re [00:27:41]:
And there’s people that make a lot of money out here. I’ll Just tell you, you start kind of getting into that four by four recommended, not necessarily required, but four by four recommended territory. And if you’re, if you’re not into that, let’s try to stay away from, from properties directly west of Blue Ridge. They’re just. Can be a little tougher to get in and out of.

Luke Carl [00:28:03]:
I got it. I am into that. But you know, that, that can definitely affect things for, you know, overall, especially if you’re from the city and not used to that kind of thing.

Yok Re [00:28:12]:
That’s right. That’s right. I, you know, we want to catch as many catches, as many flies as possible.

Luke Carl [00:28:17]:
All right, let’s talk about tourism in general, about how many folks are coming to the area and, and what kind of attractions we have.

Yok Re [00:28:24]:
Sure. Well, I tell everybody, and you’ve heard me say this again, Blue Ridge is the place. It’s kind of. I, and I think this is some. I may be stealing this from another state, but it is, you know, it is kind of a nature lovers paradise. You know, it’s what people do. People are coming here, you know, they’re not coming here for a ski lift. They’re not coming here for a roller coaster or go karts.

Yok Re [00:28:42]:
They’re not coming here for putt putt golf. They’re not coming here for the beach. You know, people are coming here to kind of unwind and hang out and get away from those things. So it is, you know, we’ve got world class fly fishing. We’ve got canoeing, kayaking, you know, tubing, anything like that, you know, during the warmer months, you know, is down to Aska is absolutely loaded with people doing all that. And you will not have, you will have a great time doing all the tubing. I mean, it is, it is awesome. And actually, I’m going to stand on my head and say this right now, our tubing in Fannin county is better than Helen, Georgia.

Yok Re [00:29:19]:
For some reason, everybody thinks the tubing is great in Helen, Georgia. It’s very mediocre. It’s not fun. You’re sitting in the tube. They don’t have any adventure tubing here. We have adventure tubing, which is cool. It is a blast. You get a little bit of rapids and stuff like that.

Yok Re [00:29:34]:
So. But yeah, we’ve got like 17 or 18 vineyards and wineries within about an hour, hour and a half. So because of that, we get a lot of these, you know, groups that want to do those wine tours. So look, Luke, we’re not Sonoma, okay? We’re not Napa Valley. We’re the redneck version of that, you know, instead of a nice charcuterie board, you know, you’re going to show up and there’s going to be probably some Velveeta cheese and a peanut butter jelly sandwich. Okay. We do things our way. This is, you know, but we love it.

Yok Re [00:30:03]:
We’ve got a ton of these little vineyards and they’re very, they’re pet friendly, they’re kid friendly. You know, they’ll have, you know, a little blues band or you know, something maybe a, you know, a little bit somebody outside picking and grinning and you can get your flight of wine and hang out, have a great time, have the dog running down the road, have the kids playing, you know, board games or whatever. Great time for families. We do have the boutique shopping downtown. Some pretty great boutique shopping. My understanding for the women, there’s some, you know, some of these boutique stores, clothing and stuff, you know, that you may only find in the city. And when I say city, I mean Atlanta. So there’s a lot of people that come from, you know, north, you know, north.

Yok Re [00:30:43]:
North metro Atlanta. Come to Blue Ridge to do some boutique shopping, hiking. I talked about it earlier. You know, we got trailheads that tie into the Appalachian Trail. Whether you’re a novice or, you know, a hardcore hiker, we have something for you. You know, also you can hike to. To dozens of of waterfalls that we have around here. I’m trying to think what else, you know, spas, saunas, that type deal.

Yok Re [00:31:08]:
You know, again, it really is a nature love play. And I say all that to kind of go into. You have to understand one thing that makes Blue Ridge maybe more unique than say, Tennessee is people are coming to Blue Ridge. And when they come to Blue Ridge, your cabin is the cornerstone of their stay. Okay, we don’t again, we don’t have Mickey Mouse. Okay? We don’t have the beach. You know how it is, Luke. I mean, your success is can a lot of times can be based on your proximity to either of those two draws.

Yok Re [00:31:42]:
Here you make your own money. Okay? If your cabin is kicks butt, you can write your own check, man. You know, because you’re not, you’re not handcuffed by being so close to a certain landmark that if you’re not close to that, you have this glass ceiling. You know what I mean? And for me, that’s what make this makes this area so special from a cabin community standpoint is you really do create, control your own destiny.

Luke Carl [00:32:08]:
What would you say there? I mean, I guess this is what you’re saying. There’s maybe a few less things to do here than the average tourist town, but that’s exactly what people are looking for. They just want to be out in the woods.

Yok Re [00:32:20]:
You hit the nail on the head. You hit the nail on the head, you know. Yeah. People want to go to our orchards and, you know, do all that stuff, and they want to go fishing and they want to do, you know, visit all the, all the parks and all that. Absolutely. But again, you’re not, you know, you’re not as hamstrung on other things as you may be in other short term rental markets. You know, like I said, like proximity to the beach or proximity to, you know, an amusement park.

Luke Carl [00:32:45]:
Okay, wonderful, wonderful. All right, let’s talk about a little bit, just to dabble a little bit. We’ll get deeper into this in a later episode of the short term show from Blue Ridge here. But prices. Am I a little cheaper than you already mentioned Disney and the beach? You know, maybe. Maybe I’m a little cheaper, I guess. What can I expect again, you know, somebody might be listening to this in 10 years, so we got to keep that right in mind. But as far as purchase prices are concerned, where am I? Where am I sitting here?

Yok Re [00:33:13]:
Yeah. So, you know, kind of our bread and butter. Three bedrooms. Okay. And, and I tell everybody this because I get posed this question a lot, Luke. And, and I’m certainly, I try to answer this the best I can. I’ve sold, you know, a three bedroom for $450,000. I’ve sold one for $1.125 million.

Yok Re [00:33:31]:
Okay. So prices are a little bit all over the map, to be honest with you. Again, your proximity to town has a lot to do with that. Your view has a significant portion to do with that.

Luke Carl [00:33:42]:
Views. Slow down. I’m a view junkie. I’m a view. I’m a, I’m a sucker for a view. Let’s talk about that just briefly here. Are they common? Are they not? I mean, it’s. 50% of them are going to have views.

Luke Carl [00:33:54]:
20% of them. And, and, and are they quite a bit more expensive?

Yok Re [00:33:57]:
So I, I wouldn’t be comfortable giving you a percentile, but I’ll say majority of them don’t do nothing. Do not. Okay.

Luke Carl [00:34:03]:
So in other words, I guess that that would mean that I do not need a view to, to. To rent.

Yok Re [00:34:10]:
That is correct. Okay, let me, let me, let’s break that down a little bit. So I would say probably, you know, less than half have what I would call a long. What I would call a long range mountain view. Yes, we do. You know, there’s probably a big portion of them that have kind of a seasonal view. Okay. Some of them that just kind of.

Yok Re [00:34:27]:
You’re catching glimpses of long range mountains, but I would say probably only a quarter of them. Or have those views where you open the back door and your jaw just drops. Okay, I got what, what I call million dollar views. Okay. I’d say probably, yeah. Maybe even less than a quarter of them do. With that being said, I tell people that Blue Ridge, you know, where we are geographically, we don’t quite have the terrain changes that the Smoky Mountains have. We don’t have the elevation changes.

Yok Re [00:34:55]:
We don’t. We don’t have as many of those what I call million dollar views. So because of that simple supply and demand, right. The ones with the views do call. You know, there is probably more of a premium on a view in Blue Ridge than there may be on the whole in Gatlinburg. You know what I mean? I don’t know. I would say here a long range view can be a 2 to $300,000 premium.

Luke Carl [00:35:20]:
Okay.

Yok Re [00:35:21]:
Okay. Now depending, right? It’s if you don’t know this game, Luke, and you own more properties than I’ll probably walk into this year. But when it’s hard to quantify a view, right? Like, how good is your view? What’s the value of your view? You know, yeah, there are those where you walk out on the back patio and you have 270 degrees of, you know, long range mountain view. But most of them are not that you walk out on the patio and you kind of have your. Your window, so to speak. You know, you have a. Basically, you know, a sight line cut out to where you can kind of access that, that view and your, yourself and your clientele can look at it. So it’s hard to justify that.

Yok Re [00:36:04]:
But I do want to tell people that there is a premium on a long range view here in Georgia simply because we don’t have as many of them.

Luke Carl [00:36:12]:
Okay?

Yok Re [00:36:12]:
Now here’s the bonus. Here’s the bonus in those slower months, you know, the kind of those when it gets cold and the leaves are on the ground and it’s not Thanksgiving, it’s not Christmas, it’s not New Year’s. If you want to have that calendar packed out fourth quarter in, you know, early spring, that’s when the view is going to separate you. You know, you could increase your occupancy 20%, 30% by having that view, because that’s when every that’s when you kind of start separating, you know, the. The 50 percentile from the 75th to the 95th percentile of. Right. Hinges on the view.

Luke Carl [00:36:50]:
Okay.

Yok Re [00:36:51]:
I want to add. What if I can’t afford a view? What do I need to do? And I tell everybody this is pretty simple. And again, it’s kind of the beauty of Blue Ridge. You’re going to have to kill people with amenities. Okay, I don’t have a view, so what am I going to do to up my occupancy rate? You’re going to have to have pretty sweet amenities. Okay. We don’t, you know, we don’t have. Thank God.

Yok Re [00:37:11]:
I don’t know how you guys do it in Tennessee. We don’t have the indoor swimming pool thing to deal with, so that’s not us. But, you know, you’re going to have to have a hot tub. You’re going to have to have a game room. You’re going to have to have a fire pit and. And not just, you know, four stumps and a pile of bricks. You know, you need to have something that looks nice and photographs nicely. Okay.

Yok Re [00:37:35]:
You know, in your game room, you can’t just go and buy, you know, spend 250 bucks on an arcade one up, throw it in the corner and then have a 32 inch Magnavox, you know, in the corner. That’s not. That’s not going to work.

Luke Carl [00:37:47]:
Yeah.

Yok Re [00:37:47]:
You know, you really need to concern yourself with kind of top flight amenities if you want to draw people in, because people here are not scared to spend money on their furnishings. And Luke, you hadn’t spent a lot of time here, but I can tell you this from somebody who has spent time in smoking and spent times here. Our cabin’s a little more bougie than anywhere than you’re going to find in the Southeast. We are, our renters, our clientele base. They have a little different expectations. Okay. Because I’ll go back to what we were talking about earlier. Your cabin’s the cornerstone of their stay.

Yok Re [00:38:21]:
You know, it’s not like going to the beach where people just want a place to lay their head, brush their teeth, wash their hands.

Luke Carl [00:38:28]:
Location, location.

Yok Re [00:38:29]:
Yeah. So here we are more sensitive to amenities. So if you are the person that really cares about having a cool cabin, man, you can write your check here. You can. You can make a kill in here.

Luke Carl [00:38:44]:
Let’s. Speaking of. Let’s say a qualified operator is coming into town, buys a. Let’s just go with like a four bedroom house. And can you throw any kind of random number at me as far as gross income. Like somebody that’s been to management Monday with the short term shop and knows what they’re doing and, and maybe has a couple of properties elsewhere, you know, maybe not a total noob. What can I expect gross income wise? And I know that’s a very difficult question to answer, but just give me a speech on that.

Yok Re [00:39:12]:
It is. I would expect a well managed, you know, a good host that’s going to provide the amenities that I’m going to call her standard, you know, on a four bedroom, you know, probably year one, you know, your first 12 months. You know, like I tell everybody, this is a ramping up process, right. You, you don’t make the money in year one that you make in year three. Correct me if I’m wrong, Luke, no.

Luke Carl [00:39:33]:
I don’t care what kind of real estate you’re doing. Any kind of.

Yok Re [00:39:35]:
That’s right. Short term rentals, long term investment. You’re the one who taught me that.

Luke Carl [00:39:39]:
Right.

Yok Re [00:39:40]:
So year, year one, actually, we’ll give.

Luke Carl [00:39:43]:
That one to the boss. That’s Avery, of course, who wrote the book on it. Fair enough.

Yok Re [00:39:47]:
Give her do credit. Do credit. So. But no, I would expect a four bedroom year one. You know, you’re making, you know, 75 while you’re kind of, you know, 75K and above that should be where the kind of that range you’re in, give or take. And, you know, hopefully by year three, you know, you’re doing six figures, you know, that’s, that’s where you want to be, you know, above six figures. Luke, here, we don’t have, again, we’re not as sophisticated on the rental side as, as you guys are in the Smoky Mountains. So it is a little more of a greenfield opportunity.

Yok Re [00:40:20]:
We’ve got a lot of people who just do an average job, right. They haven’t listened to your podcast, they haven’t read every Avery’s book. They just look around at their neighbors, they’re doing what their neighbors do. And we have a lot of what I call grandma’s big brown cabin. And there’s no hook. You know, we talk.

Luke Carl [00:40:37]:
I like that, I like that. It’s grandma’s big brown cat. Makes me excited. I can come in there and smoke everybody.

Yok Re [00:40:42]:
That’s right. That’s right. And here’s, but here’s the downfall. Here’s what hurts it. You get on the, you get, you start doing the enemy method and you’re saying, oh, this four bedroom, man, it made 56,000. And you’re. And you’re like, it looks pretty good. It looks pretty good.

Yok Re [00:40:56]:
The neighbor made 50. What you don’t realize is, man, it’s a lot of haves and have nots here because the vast majority of people, again, have grandma’s big brown cabin. And if you are a dedicated host and you’re willing to kind of put in the effort and the, the resources in the decor, you can kill it here. Again, you can write your own check. But you need, you need to be committed to doing that. You know, we, we’ve only got, I think 20. There’s about 2200 rentals, cabin rentals. So it’s not a.

Yok Re [00:41:27]:
Not a ton.

Luke Carl [00:41:27]:
No, that’s really not, not much at all. I mean, so in other words, your competition is. It’s not that. It’s not that hard. You can just go in there and be better than everybody else. There’s less people to be better than.

Yok Re [00:41:40]:
That’s right. And we do have management companies here. And I’ll be honest with you, some of them do a pretty fair job, but most of them are kind of. If you were to look at their listings and the job they do, you would just say those people have it on cruise control, you know, not really pushing the barriers. And, and I, you know, my motto is, when you’re in Blue Ridge, it’s not keeping up with the Joneses, it’s one upping the Joneses. And if you focus on one upping the Joneses, meaning all the cabins around you, dude, you’re gonna kill it. You’re going to kill it.

Luke Carl [00:42:13]:
And, you know, I don’t think it’s necessary in every market. A lot of people are doing that in every market. And it’s driving me nuts. These people are coming in with these helicopter pads on the roof and all this crazy. And I’m like, you don’t need all that. You know, in a 10, a town like Neston, Florida, what you need is location and a nice pool is really all you need. And, and clean sheets. But in your, in your market, you know, you could go a little bit crazier.

Luke Carl [00:42:37]:
And also, if you got somebody in the family that’s prone to interior design, you know, maybe she could take advantage of that and, and really make the place look cool.

Yok Re [00:42:45]:
Absolutely. And I tell people, you know, this isn’t, you know, in verbatim, I, I tell all my clients when, when I say one up in the Joneses, I’m not talk. We don’t. We’re not importing marble from Italy for countertops. That’s not what I’m talking about, okay? What I’m talking about is, you know, get rid of the 32 inch Magnavox downstairs, put in a big screen, okay? Instead of buying the cheapest arcade you can find, buy three of the cheapest arcades you can find, okay? Do that little extra, you know, that, that one to two extra that everybody else isn’t doing is where you’re going to make your money. And if you’re not willing to do that 1 to 2% extra. Ah, man. You know, Blue Ridge may not be for you.

Luke Carl [00:43:24]:
I got you. Okay, cool. Let’s talk. Let’s wrap it up with the most boring topic, this. Let’s put everybody to sleep before we say goodbye on this episode with regulations. What are we looking at there?

Yok Re [00:43:36]:
Okay, so Fannin county is going to be Blue Ridge. Gilmer county is going to be Ella Jilmer. Basically, stay out of the city limits and you’re, you know, going to be good to go. Now, look, I’m not. Don’t hold me to all these. I’m, you know, there, there are other things, but basically stay out of city limits and you’re fine. They just did add a layer of regulations in the Blue Ridge, but nothing, nothing crazy, okay? It really is common sense because it’s kind of been the wild, wild west. Okay? Now, yeah, you got to have a fire extinguisher, okay.

Yok Re [00:44:05]:
You got to have one on both floors and it has to be visible. You need to have signage out for 911 purposes. Okay? You can’t just be a hidden cabin in the woods. You got to get the little, you know, the road sign, the little numbered road sign. You’ve got to get that. The biggest changes that they’ve actually made that are of any significance have to do with occupancy, what they’re trying to cut down on. And it’s kind of revolves around septic tanks. Okay.

Luke Carl [00:44:32]:
This is brand new. The reason you’re even mentioning this is because it’s brand new. And it seems to be.

Yok Re [00:44:36]:
This came into play, I think, less than 10 days ago.

Luke Carl [00:44:40]:
Oh, okay. So this is a bit of a gray area, but that’s okay. We’ll go, we’ll cover it anyway.

Yok Re [00:44:44]:
Yeah, yeah. And everything’s kind of in flux at the courthouse. They’re trying to kind of figure out what they’re doing. I think, I think a few of these regulations got passed without understanding of how they’re going to enforce this. And they’re already starting to walk a bit of this back. I don’t want to get into Too many details. But I’ll kind of hit the couple high points here. So number one, they’re, they, they don’t want the, you know, the original two bedroom cabin that’s been built up and turned into a five boon bedroom cabin that’s sitting on a two bedroom septic.

Yok Re [00:45:15]:
They don’t want that going on any longer. Okay. So they are setting kind of occupancy ceilings based on septic. And it is for us it’s, it’s very, it’s a number that’s very workable. Okay. You know, they, they. Long story short, they don’t want 20 people in a three bedroom. Okay.

Yok Re [00:45:36]:
Why, why does that happen? Well, I think in the past couple years somebody, you know, especially things that are in a subdivision, a cabin that’s in a subdivision in an HOA they’ve got, you know, 22 people staying in a house with a two bedroom septic. It, it blows up and now you have the neighbors having to smell that for two and a half weeks. Yeah, it’s brutal.

Luke Carl [00:45:56]:
No, I like that rule. I like that rule. It sounds like they haven’t quite figured out the, you know, the kinks with that just yet.

Yok Re [00:46:02]:
No, no, no, they haven’t. And again they’re starting to walk a lot about a lot of this back. But it’s, it’s a very fair rule. I don’t want to tell. I don’t want anybody to think it’s going to get in the way of them making a lot of money. It’s not, it’s just common sense rule. And for the most part we don’t get a lot of like spring breakers. So you’re not going to get, you know, it’s a lot of families and stuff like that.

Yok Re [00:46:23]:
Mixed families. You’re not going to get even a.

Luke Carl [00:46:25]:
Little bit maybe, well more, I don’t know, a little bit more well to do than the spring.

Yok Re [00:46:30]:
Mature. Is mature a fair word?

Luke Carl [00:46:32]:
There you go.

Yok Re [00:46:33]:
Yeah, you will get a lot more mature guests. You’re not going to get the group of 18 wanting to stay in your three bedroom. And they’re all dividing, you know, splitting them. You know what I mean? Like you’re, you know, a three bedroom. It’s going to be, you know, four adults and four kids. You know what I mean? I mean it’s going to be very standard. You know, that’s you know, occupancy of about 8. That’s what you’re going to look at there.

Yok Re [00:46:56]:
So they’re just kind of, again, they’re trying to kind of curtail the. The craziness. And not that there’s a ton of exploitation, but you can kind of see where they’re going from. And as you said, good rule to have. The next kind of sticking point is, and this is only has to do with. With some houses is the parking situation. This is another one that they’re looking to limit. They’re basically saying a.

Yok Re [00:47:21]:
They. They don’t want again, the. A house that accommodates six people or eight people to show up with five cars.

Luke Carl [00:47:30]:
I agree.

Yok Re [00:47:32]:
You agree?

Luke Carl [00:47:34]:
I tell my kids that all the time. Do not bring extra cars to my house. If you want to bring extra cars, go to the guy next door. I don’t want that crap.

Yok Re [00:47:41]:
That’s right. And so some houses, Luke, you know, there’s some cabins have great little parking pads and you can slide five cars in there easily. I don’t think those. I don’t. I don’t think one man’s opinion. They’re really going to be looking at those. Those instances where they’re looking at why this rule exists is there’s a lot of cabins that were just built on the edge of a mountain road. And you may just have a little bump out for parking, and it may hold two cars comfortably.

Yok Re [00:48:09]:
Okay. And if you got eight people, you know, four per car, it works perfectly. But then again, if your cabin has. If you got eight people and now you got three or four cars on this little bump out, and you’ve got one person hanging their front bumper into the mountain road and another person hanging their back bumper out into the mountain road, it becomes a problem not only just for people getting up and down the road, but we have to think about like 911 and ambulances and fire department, things like that. So again, it’s a regulation that makes perfect sense, Luke. A lot of people are all up in arms. They’re blowing this up like, oh, my God. They’re trying to do.

Yok Re [00:48:42]:
They’re just trying to make it safe and they’re trying to make it actually better for owners and host to where you may not get in trouble.

Luke Carl [00:48:51]:
Yeah, these are all good things. And the reason this is being brought up is because this is also fresh and new that everybody’s probably. It’s like a lot of chatter going on about this and things. So now again, just Google the county and they’re gonna have a website set up. You know, we don’t want to offer any kind of legal advice or anything like that as far as licenses and permits, et cetera, but the county’s gonna have a phone number on their website where you can call and ask, you know, somebody that’s an actual representative of the state of Georgia and they will, or the county and they will be happy to answer your questions. But the overall vibe is that, you know, this area is very short term, pro short term for the most part there are, you know, within the city limits, a couple of areas that are, that, you know, you can’t do it at all. But for the most part they do like vacation vacations there and it’s a thriving vacation town and they want us to be there. Is that true?

Yok Re [00:49:44]:
Absolutely. Host and renters are our bread and butter. It’s why, you know, it’s why people come here. You know what I mean? Like, it is what it is. We love it, you know. Yeah, can you get an unruly bunch? Dude, that’s anywhere, man. You know, I’ve seen a few rowdy people in Panama City before. You know, every now and then those, those, those cats, they come up here as well.

Yok Re [00:50:06]:
But they’re just trying to protect everybody. And at the end of the day, they want these cabin communities to be safe. They want, they want hosts to be safe. They want to create an environment that, that works well for everybody. And you know, we don’t want to be in the headlines of a national newspaper.

Luke Carl [00:50:20]:
Absolutely. And Airbnb and vrbo, to my knowledge, they do collect and remit your taxes, at least most of your taxes, maybe not all of them. Again, check with your local representation there for the actual laws and permits, et cetera. But this is an Airbnb in VRBO collect and pay taxes area. As a matter of fact, I saw a statistic, something around $39,000 in tourist taxes being collected and paid to the local economy. And that’s a wonderful thing. So again, you can usually, when Airbnb and VRBO are, you know, communicating and doing the taxes with the county for the county, you can pretty much guarantee that they do do want us in this area doing this stuff, which again, short term shop would not play around in this, in any market where, where they didn’t want us to be coming in and renting single family homes for vacations for, for folks. So shouldn’t be too much of an issue there.

Luke Carl [00:51:17]:
Will yak. I appreciate your time. Look forward to episode number two. So stay tuned. Short term show from Blue Ridge.